That is correct.
I can't remember the name but there was guy in Redding [done moved away] who did alternative community service at a hospital, got disfellowshiped for it.
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Alternative Military Service is Now OK
by Sea Breeze inbut i wonder: how many jw's went to prison during the years that the wt did not allow them to perform community service as an alternative to military service?.
anyone care to take a stab at the numbers?.
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Alternative Military Service is Now OK
by Sea Breeze inbut i wonder: how many jw's went to prison during the years that the wt did not allow them to perform community service as an alternative to military service?.
anyone care to take a stab at the numbers?.
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Bill Covert
In my case the Redding Calif. Selectivity Service Board issued me a order to report to the LA CA. Charity Organization, for alternative community service, 1966 I believe. The letter I got back from Bethel was that would be a compromise of christian conscience.
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Alternative Military Service is Now OK
by Sea Breeze inbut i wonder: how many jw's went to prison during the years that the wt did not allow them to perform community service as an alternative to military service?.
anyone care to take a stab at the numbers?.
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Count me in. I got a fine, the judge position that prison was a government expense, the fine was government income.
Does have one up side, no jury duty.
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Is the Governing Body Apostate?
by Vanderhoven7 inmark jones writes:.
actually, it was “love for jehovah” and a desire to “remain loyal to him” that made me leave the jehovah’s witness “religion”.. gradually, it became very clear to me that the organization does not represent jehovah.
if anything, it had become apostate.
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Bill Covert
It took the ARC to bring a platform for the poster WOZZA to finally get people to listen to his point that Deut. 22:25-27 showed the "two witness rule" to be the work of an apostate.
I have been citing the 2013 RNWT revision of Lev.5:1 and the Sept.1 1987 Wt. article "A Time to speak When?" as being the work of an apostate. As it is a blatant deception to fabricate a "Gestapo informant policy" for the purpose of ferreting out apostates. I maintain that starting in about 1984 the church brought in four policies of "new light";1 the obedience to the Organization mantra, 2 emergence of a here to for new enemy the "apostate", 3 the shunning policy, 4 the need of a policy to ferret out any hidden enemies of the church by creating a Gestapo informant policy.
These four policies marked the journey of the "faithful slave" following the "delay of the master" in 1975 into the present GB Matt. 24: 48-51. The only thing I got out of that was providing Barbara Anderson the insight for her essay "Flawed Decrees Conceal Criminals". After that I got hung out to dry and twist in the wind like Randall Waters.
Two weeks ago I got my personal invitation to the Memorial in the mail, it had a return address on the envelope. I sent them back a letter suggesting that the Redding elders who concealed a court case of the swindler central to my saga, [swindling another local widow] see their insurance providers and take out 'personal liability policies'. I own 4 real estate parcels 7.5 acres separating the local Indian Casino 40+ acre property cut off from a major freeway interchange. A month ago I was asked for a price of what I would take. Due to my age, the condition of my house and how far out the development plans are, the price is not that of a "gold mine" but rather a "copper mine". That goes thru the church the church has a hell of a problem.
So is the GB apostate? Both Deut. 22: 25-27 and Lev.5:1 would give a resounding YES!
But who listens to the Bible, Proverbs 1:20.
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I got my personal invitation mailed to me.
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Progress on the NWT Study Bible
by slimboyfat inthe society has been working on the nwt study bible since the revised nwt was released in 2013. so far they done the nt up to philemon.
that makes about 17% of the entire bible including the hebrew/aramaic scriptures.
at that rate the study edition of the whole nwt will be completed sometime around the year 2077. .
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Bill Covert
I received my personal invitation to the memorial in the mail Saturday. I just finished typing out a reply, the same one I have been sending to the publishers homes since 2004, of which was highlighted in the 2013 summer talk on "Human Apostates".
The kicker here is that currently the local Indian Casino wants to purchase my four real estate properties that has their 40+acre development cut off from freeway interchange. If that happens then I become the smartest man in the room.
It has been 35 years I have been arguing the article "A Time to Speak When?" Sept. 1 1987 Wt. as to how it relates to a $4,250,000 unregistered securities fraud. And how that connects with church shunning policy.
Hopefully this is put up or shut up time for me.
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1970's Russell Pyramid Photo!
by Atlantis in1970's photo of the russell pyramid.
the picture was sent to us by a former bethelite who was also the person who took the picture.
of course, the pyramid is not there anymore.. .
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Bill Covert
Russel had a Haberdashery shop. His wife had the money.
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1970's Russell Pyramid Photo!
by Atlantis in1970's photo of the russell pyramid.
the picture was sent to us by a former bethelite who was also the person who took the picture.
of course, the pyramid is not there anymore.. .
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Bill Covert
I went to KM school in 1969, in Pittsburgh [Schroder and Davis instructors] . Was taken on a tour of the pyramid and shown Russel's haberdashery shop [building still standing].
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Hailstone message AND everyone will be saved? Questions
by slimboyfat ini’ve not been paying close attention to watchtower developments, but talking to a jw yesterday it occurred to me the society (yes, still use that term - old school) have been sending out mixed messages in recent years.
from what i gather, a few years ago the gb announced that during the great tribulation jws would be required to preach a “hailstone message of judgement” which involved telling people it was too late for them to repent and they were definitely going to be destroyed.
there were hints that this could be very soon, “any day now” preaching could stop and the hailstone message come in, kind of thing.
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Bill Covert
Hailstone message, hard hitting waters of truth. My recollection goes the the "Babylon the Great" book. Fred Franz and co. made "hailstone messages" a major part of the 1975, great tribulation build up. Providing evidence of God's backing of the church. These "hard hitting waters of truth messages" were aimed a Babylon the Great aka as Catholic and Orthodox churches. They were goads, sharp sticks to poke in the eyes of false religion. There were special campaigns to distribute these messages.
Those "hard hitting waters of truth" messages have born fruit. The Russian Orthodox Church has instituted pay backs on innocent people now that Communism has fallen [King of the North down the tube] and Putin has elevated the Orthodox Church.
A couple of weeks ago the JW church in Mariupol Ukraine was in the news raided by the police.
Well done Fred Franz.
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Progress on the NWT Study Bible
by slimboyfat inthe society has been working on the nwt study bible since the revised nwt was released in 2013. so far they done the nt up to philemon.
that makes about 17% of the entire bible including the hebrew/aramaic scriptures.
at that rate the study edition of the whole nwt will be completed sometime around the year 2077. .
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Please read Barbara Anderson's essay; "Flawed Decrees Conceal Criminals"
Please Google Commentary on Lev.5: 1, open Bible Hub, where you get the court room setting.
Please Read the Sept. 1987 article "A Time to Speak When?". [If I remember right someone put the whole article on my post pertaining to Jesse Somlett}.
The church teaches that the man doing the "public cursing" is a sinner that the "witness" is required to report to elders for investigation.The NIV and RNWT says that when a "call to testify" is put forth by the Jewish court than anyone in the community who has knowledge of the crime under investigation is required to come forth with testimony in order to keep the community crime free.
Paragraph 6 of the 1987 Sept.1 Wt. article says that the man doing the public cursing is a crime victim and that the "public cursing" is not profanity. The first two sentences of par 7 there is a deception and a switch regarding the "witness", where in par. 6 the witness is a witness to a crime. In par 7 the "witness" is turned into a Gestapo informant.
This article was written in 1987!!! In 1975 the Matt.24:34 imploded. The years of 1980-83 were years of the church being without a rudder. In 1984 the church introduced the "obedience to the Organization mantra". That was a package deal, a conspiracy to create the the transition of a "faithful slave" into a "wicked slave" Matt.24: 48-51. Necessitated by the inability to replace the fertile mind of Fred Franz to continue the Matt. 24:34 narrative past the "master delaying" in 1975. The package deal of the 1984 conspiracy comprised; unquestioned obedience to GB, a new enemy the "apostate" was slowly weaved into the narrative, the sanction of "shunning" was introduced. As prior to 1984 the "apostate" and "shunning did not exist in church teaching. To understand the switching the "witness" from being a witness in a court room setting par6, into being a "Gestapo informant" in par 7. Is to understand that the article "A Time to Speak When?" was a highly crafted deception fabricated for the purpose of creating a "hunting license" to ferret out "apostates" meant to "divide and conquer" opposition to Church authority. In short create the situation of today Matt. 24: 48-51.!
As Phizzy said the the deception "was not even subtle"!
The problem is the revision of Lev 5:1 in the 2013 RNWT fully reveals the deception for the purpose of creating a means for the church to ferret out apostates.The church has cloaked the "new light" of the revision of Lev.5:1 in silence. To teach the "new light" of the 2013 revision is to reveal that the church uses deception to fabricate apostate policy designed as a "snare" to hold peoples minds into captivity to church authority Matt.24: 48-51.
The real problem is the standing the deception of the "Gestapo informant policy" next to the church's blood policy, is to understand that the church uses deception for the purpose of putting humans into mental captivity to solve the 1975 fiasco, brings up the question; what moral, ethical legal requirement does the church have to reveal to families that are required to forfeit human life as a church membership, which is enforced by "SHUNNING"!
To understand the 2013 RNWT revision of Lev.5:1 is to understand the church is guilty of MURDER!
If indeed you do read Barbara Anderson's essay "Flawed Decrees Conceal Criminals" and the commentary on Bible Hub the light will be turned on in your brain the 1984 conspiracy that brought about the "apostate" and "shunning" the taking minds into Babylon-ish captivity.